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Friday, 23 February 2007

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Diane

I hate to say it, but I believe we ARE in a post-feminist era. Not that there isn't any feminism going on, but the movement obviously has little or no power, judging by media images, language, the glass ceiling, salaries, sex crimes, etc.

arse poetica

Diane! Say it isn't so! I can't take it! I'm counting on you to singlehandedly (almost) revive the movement!

Okay, enough exclamations for one comment. I take your point. And though I hear you, and I worry (obviously), I just don't want to believe it. That language is dangerous, overplayed, and manipulative (but then, what isn't?). It insidiously gives the impression that these issues are long past, women have transcended (and now choose their objectification, for instance), and it's only humorless obsessives (ahem) who can't let the bad old times go. Oh hell, I'm moving to another planet. Or to your garden so I can hang w/ R, V, ZS, and T (and O, of course). =D

Diane

You can't choose your objectification if you don't know you're being objectified. I think internalized sexism is a big as it was before the Second Wave, and there needs to be a new sweep of consciousness-raising, but how many times do we have to do this? I'm not doing it for anyone...they can do it for themselves.

(And Ziggy Stardust wonders if, when you come, you could bring him an ipod some Blockbuster coupons...)

Maitresse

Hi there, I just found your blog, and felt moved to respond.

It's true that feminism gets renamed every couple of decades or so; Third-Wave feminism has (Diane rightly points out) lost its power and influence, and, no thanks to super-militant feminists (affectionately dubbed "feminazis" by almost everyone during my years at Barnard), feminist concerns now look to the mainstream like Judith Regan-style proclamations about testicle-eating or schoolmarmish interdictions against pornography. Which leads the mainstream media to dub this a "post-feminist" period, because we saw where "feminism" led, and all it seems to have accomplished is young girls feel like they're claiming their right to sexuality by dressing like slappers at age 13, and twentysomething college graduates believing it is their right to choose to stay home and be a housewife, and that this choice is somehow empowering.

So sure, whatever, Second Wave, Third Wave, No Wave, feminist, postfeminist-- all these terms group together a bunch of people who have little in common besides their reproductive organs, and sometimes not even that. It's the patriarchy that need redefining-- not the women's movement.

(Am I making any sense here?)

Best,
Lauren

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