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Sunday, 29 May 2005

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Lance McCord

Good freaking god.

Erudite Redneck

OK. I honestly do not see the reason for a freak-out here. The Smithsonian does have to exist in the real world. And, you either believe the following, or not:

"But a museum spokesman, Randall Kremer, said the event should not be taken as support for the views expressed in the film. 'It is incorrect for anyone to infer that we are somehow endorsing the video or the content of the video,' he said."

If you're merely embarrassed, as an intellectual, at the idea that such a discussion is "allowed" at the Smithsonian, well, too bad.

If you think the idea should be snuffed out, or relegated to tent revivals, because you don't agree with it, well, same.

One is science. The other is probably theology -- or bunk, which is what most theology is to anyone who doesn't believe in it.

But, really, why the freak-out? The Smithsonian is about much more than science.

The Heretik

You mean the earth isn't flat?

ae

Erudite Redneck, I do not believe the following:
"But a museum spokesman, Randall Kremer, said the event should not be taken as support for the views expressed in the film. 'It is incorrect for anyone to infer that we are somehow endorsing the video or the content of the video,' he said."

partly because I find the following wanting:
Mr. Kremer ... added that staff members viewed the film before approving the event to make sure that it complied with the museum's policy, which states that "events of a religious or partisan political nature" are not permitted, along with personal events such as weddings, or fund-raisers, raffles and cash bars.

Since when is Creationism not of a "religious" (not to mention partisan political, natch) nature? (I ask this of the Smithsonian program officers, not you, though please weigh in if I'm missing something.) If the Smithsonian, by its own rules, does not allow films of a religious nature -- and we cannot credibly disclaim the religious and political nature of this topic -- I'm at a loss as to why the Museum of Natural History would screen it.

Sure they get $16k, but what do we all lose? Because that's a small price to pay to conflate science and theology in a charged political environment. The Smithsonian Institution is not going to close its doors if they don't get that $16k, so why did they take it? The answer to that question will probably answer your question about my freak-out. I am furious, indignant, incredulous, and lots of other adjectives about this, because I feel very strongly that anti-intellectual and anti-science "theories" are cropping up all too often as part of this madministration's kowtowing to the Religious Right, and this is just another example in a larger pattern of attacks on science and a call to return to a Biblical worldview. No, thank you.

Afterall, they're the Museum of Natural History, not the Museum of Whatever Bunk We Made Up and Want to Disguise as Science to Push Our Theocratic Vision. A few more donations of $16k from certain sectors and who knows what that Museum could be, though I would venture not what founder John Smithson had in mind. No matter the Smithsonian's protests to the contrary, they lend their name and reputation with this "co-sponsorship" to "theories" that would never make their way into their hallowed halls otherwise. I find their protests disingenuous and their policy dangerous.

As for creation stories in Sunday School or temple or mosque or altar in the living room or park bench or even tent revival, rock on! I'm not here to snuff out anyone's personal beliefs. I do hold, however, that personal beliefs must not be given equal weight (or auditorium hosting) in houses of science with what the scientific community, after years of research and peer review and observation and rigorous method, find to be observably true.

ae

'tik, this guy seems to think so! ;-)

Hi, Lance!

handdrummer

I wonder why everyone thinks that we who find the scientific worldview persuasive must allow this garbage into our most important intellectual sites? You would never be able to have a pro-science film shown or an informational discussion of evolution held in one of the big box churches that are popping up everywhere. Ask at one and see how far you get.

Talk creationism/ID in any venue that will have you. But since there is absolutely no scientific meaning in debating creationism, it is completely inappropriate to allow this propaganda into a place of science as anything other than a discussion of faith. Creationism is not science. It is theology.

Erudite Redneck

OK. Either I posted a reasoned response here a few days ago, and it was deleted, or I went through the motions of leaving a comment and the gods of technology have cursed me with erasure. Which?

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